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		<title>By: Kristi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%. You wanna know what blows my mind, though? It&#039;s when people say that women don&#039;t ever lie about rape. They&#039;re either incredibly naive or stupid about women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%. You wanna know what blows my mind, though? It&#8217;s when people say that women don&#8217;t ever lie about rape. They&#8217;re either incredibly naive or stupid about women.</p>
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		<title>By: Nan</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslilly.com/2010/02/rape-two-sides-to-every-story/comment-page-1/#comment-15603</link>
		<dc:creator>Nan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion isn&#039;t much different from those already expressed here, but I did want to share a little data.  According to an article in Slate a couple months ago (http://www.slate.com/id/2231012/), studies have converged on an estimate of 8-10% of all rape accusations being false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion isn&#8217;t much different from those already expressed here, but I did want to share a little data.  According to an article in Slate a couple months ago (<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2231012/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2231012/</a>), studies have converged on an estimate of 8-10% of all rape accusations being false.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslilly.com/2010/02/rape-two-sides-to-every-story/comment-page-1/#comment-15566</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s such a horrible thing to lie about.  An accusation can ruin someone&#039;s life.  Rape is pretty black and white.  You either forced someone to have sex with you against their will or you didn&#039;t.  A firm &quot;NO!&quot; means no.  Having sex with a girl who&#039;s passed out is also rape; unless she told you she wanted it, it&#039;s against her will.  There are no gray areas.  Men who rape deserve to be put in prison with the &quot;sisters&quot; and forced to experience the same helpless assault. 

I shouldn&#039;t have to worry, right?  Wrong.  Well... not about a rape, but... sexual harassment? Oh yeah. I&#039;ve known too many cases at work where someone gets reported to HR for a crude joke or ... just using terminology that offends.  I have certainly known a few assholes - guys who would leer at women in the office and audibly talk about their &quot;tits&quot; or ramble on about wanting to do this or that to her.  These are the guys that warrant a harassment claim - someone who makes life miserable for that person ... even thought they&#039;ve been told to stop.  It&#039;s especially bad if it&#039;s a person in authority. 

I still worry, though, because &quot;harassment&quot; of this sort is often in the eye of the beholder.  The majority of crude jokes I hear at work are told by women.  They try to lure me in, but I always smile and walk way.  There&#039;s no way in hell I&#039;m putting my job at risk.  All it takes is someone who&#039;s not overly fond of men overhearing bits and pieces of the conversation, taking things out of context and it&#039;s yet another &quot;ignorant male.&quot;  There&#039;s one woman, in particular, who likes to flirt with me.  Sexual comments, but you know... I&#039;m fine with it. I don&#039;t say anything back, but if I were offended... I owe her the courtesy of telling her before reporting her to HR and ruining her career.  People who offend don&#039;t always know they&#039;re BEING offensive. 

It can also be a generational thing.  There was an older lady who worked for me years ago.  A nice woman.  I had a team of 20 - a mix of men and women.  I had a habit of saying &quot;boys and girls&quot; and she pulled me aside one day and told me she found it incredibly demeaning to be referred to as a &quot;girl.&quot;  Now... I thought she was being a little too politically correct, but I was still mortified to know that I had offended her.   If someone at work bothers you, you need to tell them before escalating the situation.  Give them the benefit of the doubt.  If they don&#039;t stop, then report their ass... but I&#039;m constantly on guard because I don&#039;t want to accidentally offend someone who won&#039;t give me that courtesy. I like my income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s such a horrible thing to lie about.  An accusation can ruin someone&#8217;s life.  Rape is pretty black and white.  You either forced someone to have sex with you against their will or you didn&#8217;t.  A firm &#8220;NO!&#8221; means no.  Having sex with a girl who&#8217;s passed out is also rape; unless she told you she wanted it, it&#8217;s against her will.  There are no gray areas.  Men who rape deserve to be put in prison with the &#8220;sisters&#8221; and forced to experience the same helpless assault. </p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t have to worry, right?  Wrong.  Well&#8230; not about a rape, but&#8230; sexual harassment? Oh yeah. I&#8217;ve known too many cases at work where someone gets reported to HR for a crude joke or &#8230; just using terminology that offends.  I have certainly known a few assholes &#8211; guys who would leer at women in the office and audibly talk about their &#8220;tits&#8221; or ramble on about wanting to do this or that to her.  These are the guys that warrant a harassment claim &#8211; someone who makes life miserable for that person &#8230; even thought they&#8217;ve been told to stop.  It&#8217;s especially bad if it&#8217;s a person in authority. </p>
<p>I still worry, though, because &#8220;harassment&#8221; of this sort is often in the eye of the beholder.  The majority of crude jokes I hear at work are told by women.  They try to lure me in, but I always smile and walk way.  There&#8217;s no way in hell I&#8217;m putting my job at risk.  All it takes is someone who&#8217;s not overly fond of men overhearing bits and pieces of the conversation, taking things out of context and it&#8217;s yet another &#8220;ignorant male.&#8221;  There&#8217;s one woman, in particular, who likes to flirt with me.  Sexual comments, but you know&#8230; I&#8217;m fine with it. I don&#8217;t say anything back, but if I were offended&#8230; I owe her the courtesy of telling her before reporting her to HR and ruining her career.  People who offend don&#8217;t always know they&#8217;re BEING offensive. </p>
<p>It can also be a generational thing.  There was an older lady who worked for me years ago.  A nice woman.  I had a team of 20 &#8211; a mix of men and women.  I had a habit of saying &#8220;boys and girls&#8221; and she pulled me aside one day and told me she found it incredibly demeaning to be referred to as a &#8220;girl.&#8221;  Now&#8230; I thought she was being a little too politically correct, but I was still mortified to know that I had offended her.   If someone at work bothers you, you need to tell them before escalating the situation.  Give them the benefit of the doubt.  If they don&#8217;t stop, then report their ass&#8230; but I&#8217;m constantly on guard because I don&#8217;t want to accidentally offend someone who won&#8217;t give me that courtesy. I like my income.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna Cake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna Cake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who lie about it do such a disservice to those women who really have suffered.  Just the same as insurance frauds.  A lesser example but, if caught, they are punished at least by a fine.  The same should apply here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who lie about it do such a disservice to those women who really have suffered.  Just the same as insurance frauds.  A lesser example but, if caught, they are punished at least by a fine.  The same should apply here.</p>
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		<title>By: Rori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that always gets me is the girls who aren&#039;t really clear about saying no. Someone I knew in college accused a guy of rape (I knew him as well). She didn&#039;t press charges or anything, but just spread the word, and it was really mortifying to him. Between talking to her later and talking to him though, it sounds like what happened is that they were both drunk, and she said &quot;this isn&#039;t really a good idea, I think we should probably stop,&quot; but kept kissing him, hands down his pants, etc. So, the sex just happened.

So then she felt really bad about it the next day and just jumped to &quot;Well, I told him we should stop and he didn&#039;t, that&#039;s rape.&quot; Honestly, I don&#039;t think it is. If she would have stopped, he wouldn&#039;t have forced her. Maybe he should have, but she should have too.

I think that happens more often then we want to believe, especially when there&#039;s alcohol involved. Girls (and guys) who &quot;say no&quot; but then don&#039;t stop themselves aren&#039;t rape victims. 

And anyone who cries rape when it didn&#039;t happen? It&#039;s a slap in the face to real rape victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that always gets me is the girls who aren&#8217;t really clear about saying no. Someone I knew in college accused a guy of rape (I knew him as well). She didn&#8217;t press charges or anything, but just spread the word, and it was really mortifying to him. Between talking to her later and talking to him though, it sounds like what happened is that they were both drunk, and she said &#8220;this isn&#8217;t really a good idea, I think we should probably stop,&#8221; but kept kissing him, hands down his pants, etc. So, the sex just happened.</p>
<p>So then she felt really bad about it the next day and just jumped to &#8220;Well, I told him we should stop and he didn&#8217;t, that&#8217;s rape.&#8221; Honestly, I don&#8217;t think it is. If she would have stopped, he wouldn&#8217;t have forced her. Maybe he should have, but she should have too.</p>
<p>I think that happens more often then we want to believe, especially when there&#8217;s alcohol involved. Girls (and guys) who &#8220;say no&#8221; but then don&#8217;t stop themselves aren&#8217;t rape victims. </p>
<p>And anyone who cries rape when it didn&#8217;t happen? It&#8217;s a slap in the face to real rape victims.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was a punishment in place for a false rape accusation few people would ever come clean. Isn&#039;t it better to have the innocent man out of jail, even if that means the liar goes free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was a punishment in place for a false rape accusation few people would ever come clean. Isn&#8217;t it better to have the innocent man out of jail, even if that means the liar goes free?</p>
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		<title>By: Tracer Bullet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracer Bullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you familiar with the McMartin molestation allegations? That&#039;ll get your blood boiling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you familiar with the McMartin molestation allegations? That&#8217;ll get your blood boiling.</p>
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		<title>By: Amorous Rocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amorous Rocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you.

I have a cousin who had a situation come up. His brother, my step-cousin, was going through issues with his ex-wife. Ex-wife was making my extended families life hell and she decided she was going to be a real bitch. My aunt and uncle were at the time still keeping their grand daughter at times (ex-wife/ my step cousin&#039;s daughter) and Ex-wife reported that my cousin was molesting the child who was 4 or 5 at the time I believe. So, he was investigated, as were my aunt and uncle so many times. He never inappropriately laid a hand on the girl and after weeks of interviews, background checks, investigations and more, they came to the conclusion that nothing wrong had happened between my cousin and the child. They live in an extremely small town and a lot of people found out about what was going on. My cousin was humiliated by what was going on, he was innocent, and ex-wife was just being a cunt. After the child said over and over that my cousin never did anything bad to her, ex-wife eventually said that she had been &quot;mistaken&quot; in her &quot;assumptions&quot; about what went on in my aunt and uncle&#039;s household. Months later, she said she didn&#039;t even think about the kind of trouble my cousin would have been in before she opened her mouth and lied. Did she get in trouble at all for her lies? No. My cousin was humiliated and had people looking at him like he was a sick freak (they live in a very small town where everyone knows everything about everyone) for months after that, even though it came to be that he was innocent of everything ex-wife had accused him of doing.

It&#039;s wrong to wrongly accuse anyone of anything like that. Be it rape, molestation or any kind of abuse, sexual or otherwise. It can ruin someone&#039;s life. If they had gotten someone who chose to believe ex-wife&#039;s lies and not investigate into as much, he would have done jail time, become a sex offender and had his life fucked up over some vindictive bitches bullshit lies. It&#039;s fucking wrong to do that to someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>I have a cousin who had a situation come up. His brother, my step-cousin, was going through issues with his ex-wife. Ex-wife was making my extended families life hell and she decided she was going to be a real bitch. My aunt and uncle were at the time still keeping their grand daughter at times (ex-wife/ my step cousin&#8217;s daughter) and Ex-wife reported that my cousin was molesting the child who was 4 or 5 at the time I believe. So, he was investigated, as were my aunt and uncle so many times. He never inappropriately laid a hand on the girl and after weeks of interviews, background checks, investigations and more, they came to the conclusion that nothing wrong had happened between my cousin and the child. They live in an extremely small town and a lot of people found out about what was going on. My cousin was humiliated by what was going on, he was innocent, and ex-wife was just being a cunt. After the child said over and over that my cousin never did anything bad to her, ex-wife eventually said that she had been &#8220;mistaken&#8221; in her &#8220;assumptions&#8221; about what went on in my aunt and uncle&#8217;s household. Months later, she said she didn&#8217;t even think about the kind of trouble my cousin would have been in before she opened her mouth and lied. Did she get in trouble at all for her lies? No. My cousin was humiliated and had people looking at him like he was a sick freak (they live in a very small town where everyone knows everything about everyone) for months after that, even though it came to be that he was innocent of everything ex-wife had accused him of doing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s wrong to wrongly accuse anyone of anything like that. Be it rape, molestation or any kind of abuse, sexual or otherwise. It can ruin someone&#8217;s life. If they had gotten someone who chose to believe ex-wife&#8217;s lies and not investigate into as much, he would have done jail time, become a sex offender and had his life fucked up over some vindictive bitches bullshit lies. It&#8217;s fucking wrong to do that to someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been raped and not believed, I still agree with you.
Ruining someone&#039;s life by lying when you wake up and feel guilty for the previous night&#039;s fumble is unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been raped and not believed, I still agree with you.<br />
Ruining someone&#8217;s life by lying when you wake up and feel guilty for the previous night&#8217;s fumble is unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: The Panserbjørne</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Panserbjørne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a male who is utterly horrified by the idea of ever forcing a woman into sex against her will, I&#039;m equally horrified by the reports of women who lie about having been raped. I&#039;m in agreement with you that filing a false charge of that sort should carry a fucking harsh penalty. Because you&#039;re right -- even if the truth DOES come out later, the male in the case is branded for a long time thereafter with the &quot;rapist&quot; label, no matter how undeserved. I want to shake these women and scream &quot;WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING?&quot;

-- PB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a male who is utterly horrified by the idea of ever forcing a woman into sex against her will, I&#8217;m equally horrified by the reports of women who lie about having been raped. I&#8217;m in agreement with you that filing a false charge of that sort should carry a fucking harsh penalty. Because you&#8217;re right &#8212; even if the truth DOES come out later, the male in the case is branded for a long time thereafter with the &#8220;rapist&#8221; label, no matter how undeserved. I want to shake these women and scream &#8220;WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; PB</p>
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